These holders had some exposure to the elements, so they may have a small stain or rust. We&';re selling them at a discount to folks who don&';t mind, or even prefer, a bit more patina. Tom Bennett of Bennett Forge Works is our friend and neighbor. He is also an incredibly gifted blacksmith who cares about beauty and durability. He designed these hand-forged candle holders especially for Bluecorn and we&';ve partnered with a team of artisans in India to have them produced fair trade. They are a perfect compliment to our super high quality candles.Our forged lotus holder will take both 3" and 4" diameter pillars. You can see examples of both in the images to your left and you can see that the 3" pillar will nestle down into the holder a bit more.